New Zealand Heavy Metal Forum & Discussion

[Obzen]

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[Trendkill]

I reckon it was
Just too much evidence pointing at them, and no one else
Especially the whole big cleanup after the pentagon had a "plane" fly into it

[Obzen]

Aw man, Not you too!
Was just meant to be bait for Rob

[Burning Beard]

No, it wasn't.

That "Loose Change" was made by a wannabe film maker called Dylan Avery. I hate to use a humor site to illustrate this, but what the hell, at least they make it interesting.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_wa ... e-job.html

A plane DID hit the Pentagon - not a missile.

[Death]

lol, loose change isnt the only thing that suggests its an inside job, never the less, who gives a fuck? Im still gonna go to work in the morning log on to here and play guitar.

I quite like the life the puppeteers have given me.

[Obzen]

Can someone turn this into a poll? (I cant figure out how) so we can know what our idiot ratio is =p

[Dead Kid]

I believed it was, but I'm not so confident now. Even if it wasn't an inside job, I'm sure the government was more than happy to make it look like a conspiracy and distract people from the real issue of increased "defence" spending and going to war.

[Burning Beard]

I'm still suspicious of the Bush amin but the evidence I've read refutes the major arguments that it was an inside job. Particularly the supposed controlled explosions and the missile theory... which seem to just play on the fact that the average Joe just doesn't understand science very well (which is sad in itself).

[Death]

My friend is huge on this, one day he was over and i asked him if he still plays World of Warcraft, he said no, so I continued with a conspiracy made up off of the top of my head to take the piss. "Thats good because you know the government invented that game to keep the smart people occupied". About a month later he came over and was preaching it to me. Hilarious.

[Burning Beard]

My friend is huge on this, one day he was over and i asked him if he still plays World of Warcraft, he said no, so I continued with a conspiracy made up off of the top of my head to take the piss. "Thats good because you know the government invented that game to keep the smart people occupied". About a month later he came over and was preaching it to me. Hilarious.

Hahaha.

It's True Believer syndrome.

Once someone has wired themselves to think that way, they'll believe anything. Penn & Teller have demonstrated this with this video, where they get dozens and dozens of hippies to sign a petition to ban water. Incidentally, they've got episodes on 9/11 and the Moon Hoax on their cable series Penn & Teller's BULLSHIT.

[Death]

yeah Pen & Teller rock my world

[Martli]

[Burning Beard]

Your point?

[Dead Kid]

What are some of the most believable conspiracy theories out there then?

- The Cold War was a collusion between the USA and Russia to increase defence spending and improve technology in case of alien attack

- The USA has/had a satellite named Sky Station armed with nuclear weapons:

Three days after we placed the image onto our website, we received a very strange series of military faxes to our tech support fax machine, referring to a piece of hardware known as "Sky Station". Anybody ever hear of anything called Sky Station? Never heard of it, have you? Well, it's up there. It's an orbital platform of some kind. We were receiving live messages from Sky Station for a day or two and we decided this wasn't right; we were going to call the Pentagon and tell them about it.

So I picked up the phone and first I called Fort Monmouth; then I called down to Langley Air Force Base. They wanted to know, "Why are you calling Langley Air Force Base?" Well, where else would I call about a satellite that's sending messages to our fax machine...talk about sounding strange...that say this satellite is about to crash, it's coming down, its communications systems are breaking down. Well, finally we got to somebody who was of authority. It was Colonel James that we got to, and he gets on the phone with me...I'm in my car, on my car phone...and he says: "Mr Shulman, please secure these faxes. Do not let anyone see them. We'll take care of it. We'll let you know what to do with the faxes." It's like...the military goes silent.

That next day our offices were broken into. Our front door was smashed, our glass was smashed to smithereens all over the place, and everything was taken out of the file cabinets in our offices. My office was a wreck when I got in there. It was awful. We came in the next day to work and it was like: what happened, what happened?

I had these faxes in my briefcase. I'd taken them with me, home. So apparently, by not leaving them there, I probably worsened the situation. It might have been better if I'd left them there, to be frank; if they'd found them and had just come and arrested us, taken us away. They were top level, five-level clearance. We're not supposed to even see or even know such a thing, but inadvertently, as a result, we became aware of the fact that there's an orbital DSP [Defense Space Platform], called Sky Station, which is nuclear-hardened and equipped to carry nuclear weapons, because it was described in these faxes.

It is not a very pleasant place to be, to discover that now, here we are at the end of the Cold War with an agreement that there will be no nuclear weapons in space in orbit, and there is apparently a platform up there that the United States secretly put up back in the '60s or '70s or '80s, that's equipped; it's nuclear-hardened, it's one of the Star Wars SDI series, based on Spacelab, equipped to handle and carry nuclear weapons.

[Trendkill]

LOL

ok so maybe it wasnt an inside job
i think it may have been the loose change vid or something similiar
going on about man made slits in the towers support beams
and this video of people on the basement floor while the explosions are going off
was that all fake?

[Burning Beard]

- The Cold War was a collusion between the USA and Russia to increase defence spending and improve technology in case of alien attack.... snipped

Source?

[Dead Kid]

going on about man made slits in the towers support beams
and this video of people on the basement floor while the explosions are going off
was that all fake?

Given the massive size of the buildings, the chance of at least one beam being cleanly cut must be pretty high.

Maybe bombs were planted in the basement and the evidence is buried... it's hardly a conspiracy just because they never found them.

[Obzen]

http://wikileaks.org/

wikileaks have released a shitload of classified documents from the U.S. government, defence, pentagon. Interestingly nothing has come out to support any of these whackjob conspiracy theories.

Coincidentally the website is blocked at work 'Security risk sites' being the category

[Burning Beard]

http://wikileaks.org/

wikileaks have released a shitload of classified documents from the U.S. government, defence, pentagon. Interestingly nothing has come out to support any of these whackjob conspiracy theories.

Hah, cool.

Nine times out of ten you get to the sources and you've got a discredited whacko, someone who just has no idea, or an outright liar. Loose Change for example, just an outright fabrication.

[Burning Beard]

Here's a goldmine of information for 9/11 "Truthers".

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

Actually the entire James Randi forums are a great place to go for all conspiracies & paranormal discussions. Chock full of critical thinkers, scientists, ex-CTists and more. Some great debates there. James Randi is a magician who specialises in debunking paranormal bunkum but the movement has grown from there. Everything from alt-med, chemtrails and bigfoot through to that fuck-nut David Icke, creationists, scientology and holocaust deniers.

(Who better to bust charlatan psychics and spoon benders than a guy who is an expert in that stuff himself).

[Death]

What about 2012? Arnt we all going to die? (obviously not but I'm keen to read some debunkage)

[The Mighty Jazrodian]

i know i'm late but:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons

[Burning Beard]

What about 2012? Arnt we all going to die? (obviously not but I'm keen to read some debunkage)

Depends what angle you wanna take.

There's the "Planet X" is gonna fuck up our planet and cause a polar shift argument. Which is bullshit, because Planet X was based on a mis-calculation and has since been accounted for. Planet X, or "Nibiru" came from a very poor translation of some old texts and has since been layed to rest but still clutched on to by CTists.

Then there's the Mayan prophecy (???)... well, it's just a calendar that resets. If the Mayans were so great at predictions of the future, they failed, because they basically farmed themselves to death. Descendents of the Mayans think it's all bullshit. Business as usual. It's just stuff hippy westerners have picked up on.

Then there's the great "spiritual awakening" that is going to happen... well we keep hearing this and nothing ever happens. This is just based on something that popped into some nutjobs head - fuckwits like David Icke et al. People get an idea in their head and attribute it to "revelation".

Then there's the planetary "alignment". Well we've had plenty of these and nothing has happened.

Here's one of my favourite astrophysicists, Neil Degrasse Tyson talking about 2012.

[Trendkill]

What about 2012? Arnt we all going to die? (obviously not but I'm keen to read some debunkage)

2012 is when humanity realises that armageddon has already set in

[Dead Kid]

- The Cold War was a collusion between the USA and Russia to increase defence spending and improve technology in case of alien attack.... snipped

Source?

If there was a credible source it wouldn't be a conspiracy, haha. I think it's just an exaggeration of the ramblings by ex-military UFO loonies like Philip J. Corso and Professor Robert Jacobs. The idea that anti-missile missiles could also be used as anti-UFO missiles, and that UFO sightings decreased because the aliens were scared off by those weapons. Plus, the KGB and CIA had their fingers in each other's pie to the point where they might as well have been working together.